A Community Website by Lopez Island
Started by Jack Pedigo
Jan 25, 2021
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business worker who refuses to wear mask
Jan 25, 2021
A trip to our Sunset Builders Supply made me aware, not all on this island follow the mask mandate. In the recent past I noticed one worker not wearing a mask and yet again the same worker walked around the store sans mask. Even though the sign clearly states all must wear a mask and even though all the others were wearing one this worker seemed to not care. Until this pandemic is over I will not use that business.
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Mar 3, 2021
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Writing this w/o my reading glasses...

Fact: there are no consequences for not wearing a mask. You can say it is mandated or whatever, but no one here is receiving any fines or other legal consequences.

Fact: no scientific facts are causing those who don't wear masks to wear them. And many of us agree that not wearing a mask is indi ... Read All
Comment by Steve Sovelove (Phoenixrain Woodworking)
Mar 2, 2021
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Re. The funny dude who underhandedly commits the same behavior he preaches against.....

“Snowflake” is a term brought into the political lexicon primarily to disparage liberals by conservatives. Turns out to have more than one definition.

Snowflake - People who believe in alternative facts and become offended when presented with docume ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Mar 2, 2021
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All of these choices you list are behaviors that don't affect other people and, indeed, are none of their business in a free country.

But we are not free to speed, drive drunk, shoot of a gun in a public space or any such foolishness. And that applies to wearing a mask and ignoring mandates for social distancing. These are serious threats to th ... Read All
Comment by Ben, Jenn June & Nico Greenberg
Mar 2, 2021
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Re- Brenda A. I'd like to start by saying I admire your neutral stance when it comes to each other's views and opinions. That's what this thread boils down to for me. Not telling your peers they're mentally ill or stupid or wrong.Difference of opinions is ok. That's what our country is all about. You can feel strongly about alot of t ... Read All
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Mar 2, 2021
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Nathan and Jack,

I have no argument with either of you. You both bring forth important topics and well-stated perceptions. This is a great forum to bring out issues and get discussion started. However, it is a bit like face-book. People are more likely to be "aggressive" in their comments because we don't see each other's faces. ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Mar 2, 2021
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Since I don’t know how to comment to two at the same time I will make one comment and include you and Nathan. One issue I have is I’m not good a public speaking and need time to think things through. Writing is my strength and I think it’s true of many others, as well. The mask wearing situation will disappear in time but there are still things brewing ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Mar 2, 2021
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Since I don’t know how to comment to two at the same time I will make one comment and include you and Nathan. One issue I have is I’m not good a public speaking and need time to think things through. Writing is my strength and I think it’s true of many others, as well. The mask wearing situation will disappear in time but there are still things brewing ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Mar 2, 2021
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I think the main issue here Brenda is that some folks are avoiding any kind of narrative at all that disrupts their own bias. At this point there has been ample opportunity for virtually every person on Earth to have many discussions regarding whether or not wearing a mask in public during a plague spread by breathing is appropriate, whether or not there cou ... Read All
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Mar 2, 2021
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Jack,

Well, when I asked the question I was thinking of mask wearing. Maybe talking stick wise. A moderator to keep the input on track. A peaceful airing of facts, opinions, feelings and thoughts. Your statement about the cost of getting along is also thought provoking and could be a separate discussion. ????

I've seen the Librar ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Mar 2, 2021
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I, for one, never have a problem discussing issues as long as it is a respectful and civil manner. My question is just what will we be discussing? Whether to wear masks during a pandemic? Whether serious issues should be openly discussed and even criticized? The island is known as being one where most, but not all, wish to get along. How high should we rate ... Read All
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Mar 1, 2021
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So, I will ask again. Is it possible for those who think differently to meet with a moderator and discuss these issues? It's great that some are in agreement. And some of those in agreement are on different sides of things in some areas. So, can another step be taken where those with specific different opinions can meet in the middle to discuss? Of ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 28, 2021
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I am not sure to whom you are speaking but I did speak to one of the owners. I was given some lame excuses and a lame apology and it was heard by me that the speaker basically said they have a captive client base and don't really care. Again, one person, a woman, said she was indirectly threatened. Another, friend told me the female owner told him not t ... Read All
Comment by Roseamber Sumner
Feb 28, 2021
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Thanks, John. Lots of people are learning to nod now to accommodate having our mouths covered by fabric that hide our smiles. Big nods to you for your thoughtful and kind remarks.
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 27, 2021
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Earlier, Laurie said "When we get sick, it is [sic] because someone else made us sick? Or is [it] because you beat yourself up or wore yourself down, to where your immune system was overwhelmed by infection?"

Well, Laurie, according to several hundred years of medical investigation, it's because of "someone else." That' ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 27, 2021
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Spoiler Alert!! This guy has been making big bucks for years by telling people to take bee pollen and go to homeopaths and really whacko stuff like breathing nitrous oxide to build your muscles.

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then probably it is a quack.

Sorry. I don't have time for this. If I want ... Read All
Comment by Ben, Jenn June & Nico Greenberg
Feb 27, 2021
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https://katenorthrup.com/podcast/episode-198-the-solution-to-the-pandemic-you-wont-find-in-the-mainstream-with-zach-bush-md/

If your interested this is from a good friend of mine. There's only a few tripple board certified scientists in the world. this is what one of them has to say about this topic. It touches base with just about everyone ... Read All
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Feb 27, 2021
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Wow, Steve. So, if I want people to wear masks, I'm a liberal? wow. I think there are all kinds of problems on Lopez and it would be great if people would sit at a round table and talk to one another. Men and women alike, inclusive and representing all the diversity here. And talk about what their feelings and thoughts are about wearing masks and ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 27, 2021
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Yeah. Stirring up the rubes can be fun. I did a bunch of it in Chicago in 1968. But I'm 77 now and want to outlive them so even though I have both shots now, no one is going to see my mug for a while. I could be an asymptomatic carrier and why look threatening to anyone.

Well, maybe to the deer eating my shrubs. A naked and angry man at two in ... Read All
Comment by Steve Sovelove (Phoenixrain Woodworking)
Feb 27, 2021
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Mike, it’s almost as if the point of not wearing a mask is to own and trigger the libs for sport and entertainment as the goal. Plus it’s kind of a shirts vs. skins metaphor. Helps to know which side you are on.
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 27, 2021
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I’m a bit tired of dancing around the edges of what I feel is the real issue here. That this is almost all political.

If I walked into the market with a complaint about a spoiled egg or a mislabeled package, I strongly doubt that I would be told to take my business elsewhere. And if I discovered that a bin of stainless steel fasteners at the hardw ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Feb 27, 2021
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Kathryn, you should probably read the entire thread.
Unfortunately, some of it had to be deleted because of a lack of civility. But yes, business owners have been spoken with.
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 27, 2021
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For those of you who are not aware of it, Andrew Breightbart, whom Laurie quotes, was a total loony tunes public figure who was the chief promoter of the insane conspiracy delusion that Hilliary Clinton was spending time eating babies under a pizza parlor in N.Y.C.

Way over the top craziness. Totally from the Planet Fred. And not very funny since it ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 27, 2021
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It would indeed not be good for a business, their customers, or employees if a business has to close for two weeks because all employees are in quarantine due to an outbreak. Pro-profit solution: masks.
Comment by Kathryn Tucker
Feb 27, 2021
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That is really challenging b/c Sunset is the only supplier on island for many necessaries! Did you speak w/management about enforcing? I cannot imagine owners would not be sensitive to maintaining good customer relations.
Comment by Steve Sovelove (Phoenixrain Woodworking)
Feb 27, 2021
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I’m trying to follow the logic of “ if you get sick is it someone else’s fault or is it your own fault for being stressed, or not getting enough sleep, or smoking and drinking, or hereditary illness, etc.”. Yes, those are all factors for ones personal immunity system being compromised. That really is a very subjective argument and blames people for t ... Read All
Comment by Roseamber Sumner
Feb 27, 2021
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Respectfully disagreeing with the commenter who has made her last comment: citizens in this country and on this island are obviously allowed to express their alternative opinions, as witnessed here for one.

And Jack is replying respectfully as well.

But my inner "scold" is screaming at me to get out...

Just wear a friggin ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 27, 2021
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A lot of value in the comment and, yes again, we need to learn to not allow ourselves to target individuals. Name calling (including personal names) and accusations need to be avoided. But, this is not just any other situation. It is dangerous and has cost this country over ½ million lives and millions of illnesses.

Living on an island has it rest ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 26, 2021
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Who is responsible for your health?

Who monitors what you eat? Do you smoke? Do you drink alcohol? How do you handle stress? What are the hereditary, or environmental factors affecting your health?

When we get sick, it is because someone else made us sick? Or is because you beat yourself up or wore yourself down, to where your immune syste ... Read All
Comment by Ben, Jenn June & Nico Greenberg
Feb 23, 2021
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Re-Dean Hoshizaki
I don't like these masks either. I admired your post. Its informative about the way Japanese culture would treat it. You simply stated some ideas/facts. Also you recognize its a free America without trying to persuade anyone or belittle previous posts or start name calling etc. Much more grown up then some.Very classy. I am sorry ... Read All
Comment by Dean Hoshizaki
Feb 23, 2021
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Hi All,

Just to be clear, I do not like the masks.

But if I gave it to someone and any of these things happened I would be so ashamed. In an Japanese culture, on an island, I would be a personal failure, my family a failure, and the community a failure. I will not bring shame to any of the above. I just wear the thing, wear it correctly ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 23, 2021
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Thing is we are not in a desert but a very connected island archipelago. Most of us are not ants that give in to natural instincts.

This county/island touts the fact that even though we have differences of thoughts and opinions we can still maintain our sense of community and tolerance. However, we have reached a point where some aspects of life ha ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 22, 2021
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Good idea Laurie to stop fighting mask measures that’ll help contain this pandemic and show compassion and solidarity.
~heike
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 22, 2021
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Well stated by Shera Starr Oct '20

If you go to the southwest desert and catch 100 red fire ants, as well as, 100 large black ants and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen.

However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground, the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other.

The thin ... Read All
Comment by Roseamber Sumner
Feb 22, 2021
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we are each other’s
harvest:
we are each other’s
business:
we are each other’s
magnitude and bond.

Gwendolyn Brooks, Paul Robeson
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 21, 2021
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The requirement for employees to wear face masks is not a law in the sense of laws against assault or burglary. It is a statewide health regulation, which is not simply a suggestion. As such, it can be enforced, as noted below, by the Department of Labor & Industries. I'm probably not the best person to file a complaint, as I have not personally witness ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 21, 2021
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Thanks Brenda. It's so easy to forget that we are helping others when we take precautions.
Comment by Brenda Asterino
Feb 21, 2021
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Everyone is speaking to death stats mostly. Please also remember that we don't know what all the outcomes are of surviving a case of covid-19 and its variants. We do know that some people survive and continue to suffer with after effects in that person's work life and personal life. We know that some survivors have scar tissue but it is undetermi ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Feb 21, 2021
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Definitely not. Those are both political articles with organizations who have a strong stated bias', "anti-state•anti-war•pro-market" and rely heavily on emotional appeals.

The first article does not go into the claimed flaws in the scientific study it blasts at all. It only says they used mannequins, therefore it must be "j ... Read All
Comment by Steve Sovelove (Phoenixrain Woodworking)
Feb 21, 2021
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/

I’m gonna leave this here.

Fact check of your “scientific evidence” source.

Natural News

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE

Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be u ... Read All
Comment by Dean Hoshizaki
Feb 21, 2021
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That is not science. That is journalism making reference to bits and pieces to try and make a point.

This is science.
https://www.josam.org/josam/article/view/50

Or this

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/153567601001500204

Science is the process of making hypothesis and then testing it under repeatable c ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 21, 2021
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Nathan,

What scientific evidence, you mean like this?
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-02-19-cdc-double-mask-study-politicized-junk-science.html#

Or do you mean this kind of evidence?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/international-alert-message-about-covid-19-united-health-professionals/

All suppressed in the ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Feb 20, 2021
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To Laurie and Mr. Greenberg,
Your efforts to come on here, state what you call "facts" that blatantly fly in the face of the bulk of scientific evidence and common sense, then cry and moan when you're confronted about it, claiming the island is changing because no one will tolerate your crackpot theories, is gaslighting. You take no acco ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 20, 2021
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One more comment, Laurie.
You say, "Use common sense, stay away from other people when you are sick."
But this is my point exactly. There's plenty of evidence that many cases of COVID transmission come from asymptomatic people. They wouldn't KNOW if they're sick...so rather than everyone being a hermit, WEAR A MASK!
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 20, 2021
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Laurie, you said "...may be someone out there that was looking for the courage to say, No! I will not subject myself to the medical whims and machinations of the technocratic cabal and the pharmaceutical industrial complex...
I chose to live with love, not in fear."

Your essay up to that point was sensibly written, but then you start i ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 20, 2021
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My problem with all of this is, I do care about people. The businesses that remain closed, lives stunted, society fractured at every level and the suicide rates are climbing.

I will accept your decision to where a mask, wear two for that matter. If masks work then you will be safe, if masks don’t work then what is the point?

Lopez is ch ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 20, 2021
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2020 excess mortality due to Covid: US: 20% above normal, Washington 9%. That’s above the normal average of several years which includes fatalities from heart disease. That’s with wearing masks.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

~H
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 20, 2021
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Hmm. So now heart disease is a contagious disease? And the way out of a pandemic is to out breed it?

My how science and morality have advanced when I wasn't looking!
Comment by Ben, Jenn June & Nico Greenberg
Feb 20, 2021
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Re-Waugh, Adams, and Colyar.
First off its sad you can't have a conversation without bashing and name calling. I just simply stated some facts. Heart disease does take .2% of our society in the USA a year look it up, simple math. Just like the rest of the hard numbers I stated previously. And the state wide face covering is a public and safety mea ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 20, 2021
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Just a small visual to take to bed with you:

Our main road from one end of the island to the other is about fifteen miles long. Call it twenty.

With 500,000+ Covid deaths, I suggest that we visualize a small gravestone for each missing soul along the side of the road. To make my case I will concede having them on both sides of the road.
... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 20, 2021
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Yes, Adrienne, the walnut brained will be with us always. But . . .

I don't agree that taking care of ourselves is all that we can do. If you see someone driving crazily or dumping garbage or going into the bank with a gun, it is your duty as a citizen to call the authorities and report the action. The sheriff and the health department can' ... Read All
Comment by Adrienne Adams
Feb 20, 2021
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We're really getting into post-factual territory here, and it's pretty clear that arguing with people who believe things like "A virus has never killed anyone" is an absolute waste of time. One can address each claim, point by point, but there is always more ignorance and falsehoods ready for the next comment.

The people who won& ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 20, 2021
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Ben, et al: What does it mean to "kill" a human? You say "a virus has never killed anyone," but then you cannot fairly say, as you do say, "Heart disease kills .2 of the population annually." Has anyone ever been killed by a bullet? No, they die from effects caused by the bullet--blood loss, organ failure etc. From a link list ... Read All
Comment by Ben, Jenn June & Nico Greenberg
Feb 20, 2021
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I'm a numbers guy. Factual if you will. I don't go into serious situations with emotions as I see here on this public page.
#1. The total number of people in the USA is 328.2 million. Since covid 19 .14% of the population has died.
#2. Heart disease kills .2 of the population annually.
#3. California was the 1st state to lock down a ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 20, 2021
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Best not to rely on questionable, outdated, or politicized studies. At the beginning of the pandemic, it was unclear how useful masks were. But it was soon determined that some symptom-less people can spread COVID, and primary spread was through the air. Mask recommendations did some flip-flops as new data was studied, but the nearly universal conclusion now ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Feb 20, 2021
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Laurie, I own a pulse oximeter. They are easily gotten and worth keeping in a first aid kit. They measure the levels of O2 in your blood and give you an idea if your body is having any difficulties taking it in. We all have it tested each time they put that little gadget on our fingertip whenever we go in for a health check-up. The lowest I have ever tested ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 20, 2021
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Schematic of Covid -19 Roadmap Read and See All
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Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 20, 2021
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So much debate over whether or not we should be wearing masks in order to fight C0VlD but multiple scientific studies over the past decade have already settled this question. Not only do medical masks not prevent the spread of virus, but a 1995 study proves that wearing a cloth mask can put you at greater risk for infection.

https://www.bitchute.com ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 20, 2021
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Sunset is not being shown as a cause of a certain problem (spread of Coronavirus) but as just one more instance where some place their perceived 'rights' above others health and life. It is rightly said, ones rights ends where another's nose begins. Rights are inclusive and not limited to a few who could care less about others. Do we care abou ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Feb 20, 2021
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It boils down to accountability Jeremy. I see little difference in wether or not a business has already been spreading the disease or is knowingly making it possible in the future. We still don't know the route of infection for the community spread cases on Lopez.
Let's say LVM or Sunset, or any other business, ends up with some cases. My broth ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 20, 2021
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We are talking about freedom of choice in a time of epidemic disease. Serious and deadly. Both the hardware store and the market have been held up as examples of how personal freedom on one hand and prevention of the spread of disease on the other are goals that conflict.

The decision to limit freedom of choice for a very limited time and for a spec ... Read All
Comment by Jeremy Thomas
Feb 19, 2021
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why is this post, originally a post about one person at sunset, being used as a comment free-for-all on many things unrelated to sunset... not one confirmed case has been tied to sunset... please stop dragging the store into this quagmire of opinions... if one were to just skim over this, they might think that sunset was a community spread source... that is ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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Freedom of choice has NO place when it comes to public safety. No one has the right to drive when drunk or shoot off a gun in a public space. Such behaviors are exactly the same as violating the law when it comes to masks and social distancing. Why should anyone have a right to spread disease?

Yes, those who behave that way, promote such behavior an ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 19, 2021
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Back to the topic of masks, and non-compliance.

Do you think all these people are jerks?
Some interviews have already been removed. (something about a free country and free speech)
https://planetlockdownfilm.com/full-interviews/

Do you care about your children or family members?
Which side of history are you going to fall o ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 19, 2021
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Mike, meteorologist (not climate sientist) Cliff Mass has been a climate heating denialist for a loooooong time. Hope you're not part of that tribe.
~Heike
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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I've plenty of bones to pick with Cliff. I squabble with him on email about once a month. I would say that he's far from being a denialist. If you read his posts he is NOT in denial about climate change at all, but is not arbitrarily connecting normal variability to the big problem.

And no, I don't accept much of anything on faith. Bu ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 19, 2021
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Mike, I agree that the science is not nailed down, but I'd change "probably not" in your comment to "probably is." See the clips below from the site linked...many climate scientists see this event as rather extreme (worldwide), and probably caused by increased fluctuations of the jet stream, which may well be caused by the undeniable ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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Now that we've totally hijacked this thread . . .

I was basing my opinion on this information:
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2021/02/is-texas-cold-wave-caused-by-global.html
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 19, 2021
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While I'm not going to spend the 40 minutes or so to watch the video, there's a book, "Corona, False Alarm?" by co-authors Karina Reiss and Sucharit Bhakdi. It has mostly good reviews, unsurprisingly, since those ordering it probably already are convinced of the suppositions in the book (confirmation bias--similar to those who supported t ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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Thank you John.

One minor quibble just in the spirit of scientific accuracy. This terrible weather event in Texas is probably not an effect of global warming. The trend over the last few generations in that geographical area has been for the cold events to be less severe rather than more so.

Global warming or climate change or whatever we w ... Read All
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 19, 2021
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There are none so blind, that will not see.

have a nice day
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 19, 2021
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Mike,
I know you didn't watch this video, not enough time has elapsed.

So you went to the wiki and found a way to discredit the messenger. bravo
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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This jerk has been all over the internet for this past year. He even won an award in Germany for the most outrageous pseudo scientific claims. His own institution has distanced itself from him.

Assertions like his are exactly what we mean when we speak of "Shouting Fire in a Crowded Theater."

Bad science from the get go. And dange ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 19, 2021
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You might want to read what Wikipedia has to say about this nut case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi

Nonsense on stilts.
Comment by Laurie Lyford
Feb 19, 2021
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This sit down interview with Sucharit Bhakdi about the current situation we find ourselves in. He is the most cited microbiologist in German academic history, an authority if there ever was one Shocked by the events of this year, he is speaking out about the scientific fallacies and human rights abuses at work now.

The video for me kept stopping bu ... Read All
Comment by Dean Hoshizaki
Feb 19, 2021
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That is correct Carla. 17-19 is the (new) total count. Sorry for the confusion! Saying "17 now" is easy to misinterpret. Should have said "17 total"

But the point is, until Jan 31 or around then we were at 6 TOTAL. Doing fantastic as a community. In fact we where one of the BEST counties in the entire USA. Never mind the E ... Read All
Comment by Tim Kent
Feb 19, 2021
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Lopez now has had 19 cases over the past year, 2 new this week, with two-thirds of the cases since the start of February. This week we moved from 6 active cases being monitored to 2 being monitored.
This month is our 1st community spread event and from someone seemly without symptoms, ie. asymtomatic, which safety protocols did not discover.

... Read All
Comment by Karla Lillestol
Feb 19, 2021
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There are not 17 current cases on Lopez. The article states that there have been a total of 17 cases since the beginning of the pandemic:

"By island the total number of cases since the pandemic hit the county in March 2020: San Juan Island 70, Orcas island 40, Lopez Island 17, Shaw Island 0, and outer islands 1."
Comment by Lori McDonald
Feb 18, 2021
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Hi dean , where did you see or hear there is 17 cases of covid? thank you Lori Mcdonald
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 18, 2021
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Unfortunately, it seems the more that get vaccinated the more the ball is dropped. Still, even before the vaccinations, there were others like many of us witnessed in various establishments that just didn't care. Maybe, with the numbers increasing these people will pay attention. After all, it is their customers that are getting sick.
Comment by Dean Hoshizaki
Feb 18, 2021
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This is getting sad. 17 now on Lopez.

Accidents do happen though. And everyone's circumstances are different. So please don't jump to conclusions.

I hope those who are spreading it, stay to themselves, but if the behavior that resulted in the initial community spread, continues, it will only spread more. The spread seems to be ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 7, 2021
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Just received a note from a friend. It seems noting has changed regarding the non-mask wearing person. One thing that attracted Parvin and I to the island was its sense of 'community.' Now, with the disregard to others health and lives that sense of community has been seriously frayed. No longer can we tolerate others ideas and go along to get alon ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Feb 6, 2021
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Lets hope, with all the comments and reminders here, that those people who think they are immune to the rules have had enough reminders they will no longer 'forget.'
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 5, 2021
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Thank you, Julienne.

So easy to forget. So pleasant to remember.
Comment by Julienne Battalia
Feb 5, 2021
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There is a very old saying, Jesus said it. "Love you neighbor as yourself" Buddhist's have a similar version, "Do no harm". These are what inspire me to where a mask.
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 5, 2021
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I just had a most satisfying experience of watching the staff at the Friday Harbor Ace Hardware sanitizing the checkout counters and generally being aware. They even seemed to wearing N95 masks.

From there a stroll to the courthouse to transfer a title where I was able to select a sanitized pen to sign the papers.

Thence back to the ferry w ... Read All
Comment by Becca Peter
Feb 5, 2021
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The county just announced the first case on Lopez Island today of unknown origin, which means possible community spread for the first time this pandemic.

If our local business owners continue to ignore the masking requirements, the odds of the outbreak spreading out of control increase significantly.

Jack, thank you for raising awareness ... Read All
Comment by Adrienne Adams
Feb 3, 2021
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Masks ARE everyone's business. The new virus variants are exceptionally contagious, and anyone not wearing a mask in a public setting is putting others at extreme risk.

I fully support "voting with our feet" and refusing to patronize businesses that do not comply with public health mandates.

I fully support calling manageme ... Read All
Comment by Hugh Burleson
Feb 3, 2021
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Wearing a mask is a medical recommendation, not wearing a mask is a political recommendation. I grew up in Japan. Much of the rest of the world has adopted mask wearing as a prophylactic against disease, micro-pollutants and particulates for decades. Routinely!

Not wearing a mask during one of the worst pandemics in history is the epitome of stupidi ... Read All
Comment by Lea Ann Rolla
Feb 2, 2021
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I also have an issue with Sunset employees not wearing masks. I printed out the gov's latest CV19 info regarding mask wearing. I presented this to three people, upstairs, who were not wearing masks. They said it was none of my business and then turned it around on me, as if it were my fault. This encounter happened last summer. I posted this info o ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 1, 2021
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I’m happy to look at the survey data you’re referencing if you want to post it or link to it, Caroline. And maybe you'd like to explain how your claims reconcile with the publicly available polls that say the opposite?
Comment by Mike Colyar
Feb 1, 2021
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Hmm. So let me parse this for logic. But before I try that let me assert that the people who are breaking the mask law here are so palpably white that chalk dust runs out of their socks. When they wear them.

So if I hear you correctly, making people obey the law is a microaggression against BIPOC humans. Hmm. So if I decide to drive drunk at 60 down ... Read All
Comment by anonymous as "Caroline Milton"
Feb 1, 2021
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Heike, you’re out of your element. I have worked with several racial-justice focused non-profits since the 1960’s, and our data shows what I’ve previously stated. Also, “non-whites” is not the preferred nomenclature; BIPOC, please. “Non-whites” centers whiteness, and is not inclusive to the many different racial groups that tie the room that ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Jan 31, 2021
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Caroline- It’s the opposite of what you say: Polls have consistently shown that non-whites mask up to a much higher percentage than whites, i.e. non-whites are a lot less “skeptical” about wearing masks. And trust me, people at Sunset are white, they aren't trying to hide being black, brown or Asian by not wearing a mask. ~Heike
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Jan 31, 2021
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No I did not ask. However, the times I have visited the store he was never wearing a mask which did not surprise me. He did put one on when attending me at the register. I should have asked but when the owner called he did not mention this as a reason.
Comment by Mike Colyar
Jan 31, 2021
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Caroline,

All of the outrages you list were and are very real and very wrong and evil. I’m not a cultural relativist and think that if every human on earth thought, for instance, that slavery was right that it doesn’t matter. They were all wrong then and would be wrong now and it was and is totally evil. Of course they didn’t ask the slaves! T ... Read All
Comment by anonymous as "Caroline Milton"
Jan 30, 2021
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I think it's important when talking about this issue that we remember that calls to "follow the law" are deeply rooted in white supremacy. This issue concerns medical advice from our political establishment. In the past, we have seen horrible atrocities committed against our black and indigenous populations by the medical establishment. One ... Read All
Comment by Jennifer Turunen
Jan 30, 2021
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Here is the statement from the Washington State Covid Response Page on Employees/Employers:

"For employers and workers: Washington employers must ensure workers wear face coverings at work in almost all situations. Employers must provide face coverings if workers do not have them. Employers must comply with this order, which is enforced by the ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Jan 30, 2021
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I have seen this person numerous times before and nothing has changed. I seldom use this site but it was suggested I do. I also received several personal e-mails, one from a woman who did contact the owners twice but both times received a nasty reply and even a threat. The owner did call me and apologize (but I question how seriously that was. I guess we ... Read All
Comment by Jack Pedigo
Jan 30, 2021
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Not sure if this was directed at the comment about Sunset. The owner did call and say 1.it was not a political statement 2. He often forgets (which is hard to believe when everyone around him is wearing theirs) and 3. he's an 80 YO veteran (I am a 73 YO, disabled Viet Nam era veteran). Still none of these reasons invalidate one person putting others at ... Read All
Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 29, 2021
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Comment by Jennifer Turunen
Jan 29, 2021
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Wow! Samantha! Your comments to other community members on this thread have been extremely vitriolic. Masks are one of our only line of defense right now against Covid 19. It is mandated by the state that all employees of businesses wear a mask to protect customers from the spread of the virus. Therefore, it is my business if employees choose not to wea ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Jan 29, 2021
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All very fine. But . . .

Be advised that I do not give permission for my name to appear on anything for sale. I am not a public figure and anyone who presumes to use my name for profit will find themselves in court.

Unless, of course, I make a ton of money out of it. I'm not related to the Kardashians, by the way.

This is gett ... Read All
Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 29, 2021
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Comment by Mike Colyar
Jan 29, 2021
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Ah. A typo on my part. I meant Wade. That's what happens when I'm up in the middle of the night watching cat videos. I will retire from public life forthwith. (Ha!)

If I see a lawless action and especially by someone breaking a law aimed at immediate public safety it is my legal duty to call it to the attention of the authorities. Indeed, ... Read All
Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 29, 2021
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Oh I must have missed it, you work for the county and are on their team of enforcers? oh No? That's not the case. So then maybe just stay focused on the change you can effect by wearing your own mask and leaving other people and their businesses alone.
It's not that hard.
Who is Scott?
Comment by Mike Colyar
Jan 29, 2021
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Samantha and Scott,

This is about several things, primarily public health and the law.

I am trying to effect change in small steps. First I talked to employees, managers and owners at the businesses. Then, after being rebuffed, I added to Jack’s concerns here in hopes that some publicity might wake them up. I feel I’m being reasonably s ... Read All
Comment by Wade Clark
Jan 28, 2021
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It's a business on Lopez. I am suggesting that you are not welcome there Nathan.
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 28, 2021
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Are you suggesting certain businesses are above the standards the rest of the community is held to?

What is Wadeco?
Comment by Wade Clark
Jan 28, 2021
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Nathan, I think you should show the owners and everyone else how serious you are about this issue. Never under ANY circumstances should you ever go purchase goods from them either personally or professionally. Show us all how you will NOT use them. I look forward to hearing all your adventures taking the ferry to another island for a tube of caulk. I bet Mik ... Read All
Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 28, 2021
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I only asked mike to name names as I happen to know the management at the store and none of them seem to know what he’s talking about. And when he made his rant, i my self told him to shop somewhere else. So I just didn’t want him to get me confused with LVM management.
I know of one employee who wasn’t wearing their mask out side with no customer ... Read All
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 28, 2021
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Putting it back on Jack and asking Mike to name names, then accusing the concerned of ranting for bringing up a problem that numerous people have been bothered by is really the height of self-righteousness and gaslighting.
Is it really that hard to believe there are people who have issues with mask wearing right now?
It's not AN employee, it ... Read All
Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 28, 2021
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Comment by Samantha Olson
Jan 28, 2021
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Mike, who in management at LVM store told you not to come back with your attitude?
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 27, 2021
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Yes, I have friends that have stopped shopping at Sunset after an interaction with an employee there. They noticed the employee wasn't wearing a mask, and out of curiosity asked "No mask huh?" or something to that effect. The employee then said "No" with no explanation or interest and proceeded to follow them around, still unmasked. ... Read All
Comment by Mike Colyar
Jan 26, 2021
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If you want something blatant to raise your hackles, go hang out near the butchers at LVM. No masks most of the time and obnoxious about it. And the management is NOT open to complaints. Was told to not come back with my "attitude".

Lovely to have your steak coughed on.

So when we make a mainland run for medical appointments you c ... Read All
Comment by Hugh Burleson
Jan 26, 2021
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I have not seen this person, but I agree.
Most items can be ordered online these days, provided that you are willing to wait for delivery.
Definitely inconvenient for us living here. I would not hesitate to ask this person where their mask is.
Comment by Staci French
Jan 25, 2021
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Hi, curious if you happened to ask why they weren't masked. I know there are legitimate medical reasons why some don't wear them. I wish my family member wouldn't as they can barely breath at all without a mask, let alone with one. They wear one so people won't assume they are purposely not wearing one, even at the risk of their own healt ... Read All