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Started by Eleanor Burke
Jan 24, 2022
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"Health Freedom"/Defeat the Mandates Movement is Woefully Misguided
Jan 24, 2022
Did you know that 12 individuals have been responsible for nearly 20% of all anti-vaccination disinformation spread over the internet during the pandemic?

Did you know many of those individuals have profited off spreading disinformation during a pandemic that disproportionately affects the poor, communities of color, the frail, the elderly, the disabled, and the immunocompromised?

Check out the website Defeat the Mandates, that is linked as information/"source"/inspiration (It's not clear to me?), for the upcoming Anti-Mandate Rally.

Under the speakers section you will see one of the prominent "Disinformation Dozen"- Robert F Kennedy Jr. You will also see influencers like JP Sears and Del Bigtree (neither of whom have ANY training in viruses, infectious disease, or medicine for that matter), but who have both profited off of social media followings that have grown exponentially during the pandemic, thanks to their charismatic personalities and wildly unsubstantiated claims.

Do you want to learn more about the intersection of the "wellness" industry, white supremacy, and conspiracy theories?

The Center for Countering Digital Hate is a UK think tank tracking this, and is a great resource for understanding the link between social media and anti-vaccination propaganda.

The Conspirituality Podcast, brings together cult survivor and yoga scholar Matthew Remski, with two other journalists and yogis- Julian Walker, and Derek Beres, who have been studying and dissecting the links between new age beliefs, Neo-liberalism, white supremacy, anti-vaccination, and much more!

OF ALL the social justice issues that so need attention, platforming those who have profited from spreading disinformation is decidedly NOT one of them. That those who say they value "community" while making home on stolen lands in one of the most educated, white wealthy communities in WA state, (NOT to mention the United States), cannot connect the dots between their own unexamined racist and classist biases, and this woefully ignorant/dangerously selfish health freedom/defeat the mandates initiative, is sorrowing.

It is a snub to all those activists, scholars, health care workers, and tireless community organizers working in the the least advantaged communities across the country, who continue to ask white people to do the work at unpacking their unearned privileges, and then, heaven forbid, use their voices, time and resources to rally and march for those who do not have the money or access to what you have or even, the simple joy of being in your body, going out for a jog in any community across the United States without a care in your head, a privilege afforded by your gender, your able-bodiedness, and your white skin.
Comment by Ruth Perkins
Feb 27, 2022
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Posting claims against other takes on such important things without wanting to embrace dialogue is the problem imo
Comment by Steve Snowden
Feb 24, 2022
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Brian, Don't be so accepting of what you read in Kennedy's book. One cautionary example comes just from the Amazon blurb from the book:

"As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Dr. Anthony Fauci dispenses $6.1 billion in annual taxpayer-provi ... Read All
Comment by Brian Krantz (Inside Passage Yacht Sales)
Feb 24, 2022
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Hi Eleanor,
I looked over your post and I really don't know any of "the twelve" except Robert F. Kennedy Jr. His book: https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Childrens/dp/1510766804 is impeccable written and every bit of data is cited and claim verified. He is about as far away from "disinformati ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 12, 2022
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Good point Curt, looks like no benefit for omicron only positive cases. I’m assuming vaccines still make a difference for serious illness. But regarding mandates is the difference big enough, to achieve its goals, I guess is what the debate is about.
Comment by Curt Bonelli
Feb 12, 2022
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Hi Heike and Terry,

No, sorry, I agree I should avoid mixing data. I am using the raw number data to point out that out of 52,133 omicron infections 38,825 people had some type of vaccination. That’s 73%. By your count 74% of California has been vaccinated. If my math is correct the odds of you ... Read All
Comment by Kenneth Ferrugiaro
Feb 9, 2022
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Dear Eleanor,
We have been friends for many years, and it really saddens me to read where you are coming from in regards to our situation.
I could not respond, didn't know how to respond for sometime...
It feels so hypocritical to me. You are using your own white pri ... Read All
Comment by Eleanor Burke
Feb 9, 2022
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UPDATE 2/9/2021

When I first posted this, I very intentionally posted this as a PSA on the Message Board, precisely b/c I did not want to engage dialogue.
The moderator of LopezRocks changed my post before I got a chance to say otherwise, posting it under the Town Hall. I ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Feb 9, 2022
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Curt, I believe you'd want to relate those absolute numbers in the study to vaccination percentage of the whole CA population. Currently, 26% of CA population is unvaccinated but the study has 32% positive cases among unvaccinated in the study. 74% of the CA population are currently vaccinated and this group's positivity rate was 61% in this study ... Read All
Comment by Curt Bonelli
Feb 9, 2022
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Hi John,

Thanks for the full link to the California study. This quote is interesting “However, evidence for a reduction in severe outcomes among vaccinated cases with both Delta and Omicron variant infections in our study (Table S3) suggests substantial public health benefits from continued COVID- ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 7, 2022
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Hello again Curt. I'm glad we can have a statistically based conversation. I enjoy this sort of thing (though not, of course, the topic at hand). It would help, I think, if you posted links to the graphs you include. They are virtually unreadable on LopezRocks, and hardly any better when opened as ... Read All
Comment by Curt Bonelli
Feb 6, 2022
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I understand John, and thanks for engaging by the way. The start of this thread caught my interest because of Robert Kennedy’s name. I read his book (or a lot of it) and found it fascinating and informative. It has taken me down all kinds of rabbit holes, some good and some bad. I had no idea the incestuous relationship that exists between the Pharma c ... Read All
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Comment by John Waugh
Feb 5, 2022
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I'm not trying to convince you to get boosted, Curt. Everybody's got to find their own way in this crazy world.

In December 2020, COVID was briefly the leading cause of death in the U.S., ahead of cancer, heart disease, and car acciden ... Read All
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Comment by Curt Bonelli
Feb 5, 2022
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Very interesting. I’m having a hard time with apples and oranges. What part of the NY and Seattle data is Omicron and what part is delta? When they say “fully vaccinated” what does that mean. If I use the California (Kaiser and Berkeley) data and separate out 3 doses (presuming this matches your NYC “fully vaccinated”) then 19% of the California h ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Feb 5, 2022
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Take a look at these charts for hospitalizations in NYC and Seattle, from Nov 2021 to Jan 2022. These cities are used because they have timely and accurate reporting. These charts appeared in the New York Times online Jan. 11, 2022.
This makes it blatantly obvious that, yes, vaccinated folks do get hospitalized, but not even clos ... Read All
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Comment by Laura Matthews
Feb 4, 2022
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Hospitalizations are rising with vaccinated folk because vaccination does not prevent infection from the Omicron variant. It reduces the chances but vaccinated people still face a good chance of infection. What vaccination does is reduce the chance of severe Covid illnes and hospitalization. Hospitalizations are much higher with unvaccinated even with the mi ... Read All
Comment by Curt Bonelli
Feb 4, 2022
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At the risk of making things worse I offer this, the latest detailed information I have seen on vaccine effectiveness and Omicron. SGTF is omicron cases. Note that over half the new cases have two injections, twice the unvaccinated. The other shows no effectiveness for any of the vaccines to keep you out of the hospital vs not being vaccinated. I may h ... Read All
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Comment by Laura Matthews
Feb 4, 2022
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I agree with your perspective. White priveledge and elitism have everything to do with this discussion. It is a slap in the face for health care workers on the front lines to see those vaccinated forced to wait for a bed while our sicker unvaccinated brothers and sisters take their place in the ICU's and medical floors. People of color and the poor ar ... Read All
Comment by Kenneth Ferrugiaro
Feb 1, 2022
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Thank you kindly Heike and Erin for your grounded assessment of the situation!
It is very disturbing to me how many people are willing to negate our natural immunities completely.
When I look at our medical system (I don't even want to use the word care or health) I see absolutely nothing of natu ... Read All
Comment by Erin Bernardi
Jan 31, 2022
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Heike, thank you for your well written post. I really appreciate
Your ability to pose concerns/questions and support your statements with current data for us to consider.

In the last few months, I have had numerous discussions with friends and family related to the value ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Jan 30, 2022
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Thanks Bruce. Important to know.
Comment by Bruce Richardson
Jan 30, 2022
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Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 30, 2022
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Ivermectin happens to be used for that yes, but like most medications it has more than one use.

Here is an excerpt from the NIH Library of Medicine, National Center of Biotechnology Information, pubmed.gov link below: "Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, wi ... Read All
Comment by Bruce Richardson
Jan 30, 2022
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We need to clarify what ivermectin is used for in humans. Not for virus infections. It is used to control tropical worm infections.
Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 30, 2022
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Bruce are you aware that Trump is a huge proponent of the vaccines? He falls just short of claiming he invented them himself, pompous ass that he is. I'm curious how much deplatforming him harmed vaccination efforts.
Are you aware that Ivermectin (this is NOT an endorsement of any treatment) has been in use as an effective ... Read All
Comment by Heike And Terry
Jan 30, 2022
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There are some justified concerns about a vaccine mandate being too blunt an instrument. None of the concerns below deny the effectiveness of vaccination to acquire immunity or to temporarily increase antibody levels to be better prepared for an infection in case your immune system can’t produce the b ... Read All
Comment by Bruce Richardson
Jan 29, 2022
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If you look into the background of Senator 'Ron Johnson who moderated the hearing you will see that he is a serious Trump supporter, believes horse worm medicine cures Covid, thinks the election was stolen, January 6 was pure patriotism, and spouts a never ending series of ideas that any fact check reveals to be pure nonsense. If you want to believe t ... Read All
Comment by Jeffrey Huntington
Jan 29, 2022
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For everyone who is still convinced of the grand narrative: The link to this 38 minute Senate hearing on Youtube could save your life or the life of someone you love. You're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U
Comment by Ana Malinoff
Jan 27, 2022
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Alright, so I read through the disinformation dozen document.
The opening statement lumps together ethnic nationalism, anti feminism and a few other bad sounding things with something it calls "denial of scientific consensus" under the category of "online hate ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Jan 26, 2022
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Hi Eleanor. Looks like I escaped your boilerplate responses...thanks. I applaud you for learning with an open mind about issues that are fraught with so many un-validated claims.

There was a lot of bad sh*t going around on this planet in the pas ... Read All
Comment by Ana Malinoff
Jan 26, 2022
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Can you recommend a specific episode of the conspirituality podcast that can help me understand the link between anti vax and white supremacy? There's quite a few to choose from. Thanks for your willingness!
Comment by Eleanor Burke
Jan 26, 2022
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Hi John- I too have been anti-vaccine, and it took graduate school, continual anti-blackness in this country, Trump and moving off the insular isle of Lopez, social media activists, and many many thoughtful friends and family I respect for changing my mind. Not to mention the British journalist who spent a decade researching and writing about Andrew Wakefiel ... Read All
Comment by Eleanor Burke
Jan 26, 2022
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Hi Ana- please read the document I included in the link. I hear what you are saying, and I am skeptical as well, as I am sure you know. However, I am specifically talking about the movement that inspired the local event, which is rooted in Neo-liberal anti-collective white supremacy, and clear anti-vaccine rhetoric. If you have in fact read the document, lis ... Read All
Comment by Eleanor Burke
Jan 26, 2022
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Hi Nathan- please read the document I included in the link. I hear what you are saying, and I am skeptical as well. However, I am specifically talking about the movement that inspired the local event, which is rooted in Neo-liberal anti-collective white supremacy, and clear anti-vaccine rhetoric. If you have in fact read the document, listened to some of the ... Read All
Comment by Eleanor Burke
Jan 26, 2022
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Hi Adam- please read the document I included in the link. I hear what you are saying, and I am skeptical as well. However, I am specifically talking about the movement that inspired the local event, which is rooted in a Neo-liberal anti-collective white supremacy. If you have in fact read the document, listened to some of the podcast episodes I mentioned, th ... Read All
Comment by Adam Broadbent
Jan 25, 2022
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You share some good points Eleanor, but I’m not sure they all apply to those who are protesting vax mandates. Yes, plenty of individuals/corporations/organizations have their motivations in promoting the anti-vax movement, but plenty of people have legitimate concerns on mandates.

I did not partici ... Read All
Comment by Ana Malinoff
Jan 24, 2022
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Hey Eleanor,
I want to thank you for sharing your perspective on this complex issue. I Think it's very important that we share our truths and engage in open and respectful dialog with eachother regarding this painfully divisive topic.

It's been my experience t ... Read All
Comment by John Waugh
Jan 24, 2022
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Good stuff Eleanor!
Your first paragraph is perhaps the most important. 12 individuals responsible for 1/5 of the misinformation.
Reminds me of the controversy about vaccines causing autism. This connection was published by a British doctor (Wakefield) and cohorts in Lancet, a prestigious journal, in ... Read All
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Comment by Nathan Donnelly
Jan 24, 2022
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Interesting information Eleanor. I'm not sure being anti-mandate is necessarily the equivalent of being anti-mask/vax though, and presuming that is what gets us lost in the weeds. The underlying issue is intense distrust of industries and governing bodies with bad records, lack of accountability, and serious conflicts of interest. Misinformation doesn&# ... Read All